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No PR playbooks. No rehearsed answers. Just the founders building Boston's next generation of tech companies telling you exactly what they think — and why the city's best days are still ahead.

Hosted by Nick Leonard & Nathan Spielberg
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LATEST Episode 3

Why Jason Kelly of Ginkgo Bioworks Is Still Betting on Boston

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Jason Kelly

Founder & CEO, Ginkgo Bioworks

The man who built a $4B biotech empire in Boston doesn't hold back. Jason Kelly drops a bombshell thesis: Boston has the real tech — biotech, robotics, atoms over bits — but is leaving generational wealth on the table by thinking too small. His fix? Ban human-driven cars downtown, turn the city into an autonomous vehicle playground, and for the love of God, stop trying to raise money in Boston. The wake-up call Boston's startup scene didn't know it needed.

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Episode 2

Still Building. A Conversation with David Chang

David Chang

David Chang

Founder, Via AI · Prev. Gradifi (acq. E*Trade), Where (acq. PayPal)

Serial acqui-hirer. Two exits to PayPal and E*Trade. David Chang has seen every cycle Boston has to offer — and he's not sugarcoating what went wrong. His diagnosis: the city's VC ecosystem caught a case of "beer goggle" skepticism — investors who'd shake hands over coffee in SF suddenly go cold when the deal lands back in Boston. But here's the twist: Chang argues local founders aren't lacking ambition, they're just doing the math differently. The episode that proves Boston's founder community runs deeper than any hype cycle — because "you're never going to enjoy building anything if you don't like the people."

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PILOT Episode 1

What in the Boston Are We Doing Here?

Nick Leonard
Nathan Spielberg

Nick Leonard & Nathan Spielberg

Hosts, BUILD617

The one that started it all. Nick and Nathan rip the band-aid off Boston's tech scene with a single, uncomfortable question: why does this city have world-class talent, world-class capital, and a second-class startup culture? Nathan delivers the episode's defining hot take — Boston doesn't have a talent problem or a money problem, it has a hype problem. The city's allergic to its own cheerleaders. While Silicon Valley compounds success through relentless mutual celebration, Boston fragments into disconnected silos of universities, VCs, and banks that never overlap. This is the manifesto episode — the reason BUILD617 exists.

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